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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:18 pm    Post subject: Not sure if you've seen this but Reply with quote

This has got to be the ultimate in discreet nocturnal animal collection gathering devices, for those not living in the UK that is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NshtEe_TsRA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6LxKfpAPYA&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyxjnDNHW7Y&feature=channel

I'm sure it'll get a few minds racing.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep he is a ledgend!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats major
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

does anyone know the legality of using a "slingshot bow" in the UK, if not im happy to look it up, as even the arrows with dumb dumbs on dont have a pointy end and from what i remember of the bow legislation a bow relies on using the force of the limbs as the propellant, thereby removing catties from any possible classification as a bow even though itll shoot arrows.  
If i get no replies ill do some digging and post a thread with the results....
Just remember anything that doesnt have a law made about it is LEGAL....heres hoping  
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok first update remembering that in law "if it is not prohibited, it is allowed"  the WCA '81 as ammended '94 (ammendment useless but just so you feel more secure ) states clearly that its prohibited to kill via "any self-locking snare, whether or not of such a nature or so placed as aforesaid, any bow or cross-bow or any explosive other than ammunition for a firearm"

Plain and simple NO self locking snares or any normal snares that dont "free-run", NO BOWS*, NO CROSS-BOWS* or any explosives apart from ammo from a gun.

Now from what i remember they slingshot "bow" is not a bow as i said before, thats the point i shall research further and as for crossbow it does not lock and fire with a trigger and again same point as the bow regarding the limbs.....

Also as a second point on arrows you could even carry them around as long as you remove the head during transport (all mine screw on so no probs ) ergo no long pointy objects over 3 inch

Lucky i have insomnia folks im gonna research this all night!

Edit: Also to point out this is for England and Wales only.... Sorry scots ill get onto you later
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right cant find any mention of arrows specifically thank god. Also been looking in my good ol' books, any statute that has any wording that has no set legal definition or in which the wording comes into question it is to be read as in plain english using english dictionaries.
BOW
a flexible strip of wood or other material, bent by a string stretched between its ends, for shooting arrows.
so the only mention of arrows being in the dictionary in reference to a tool which a catapult cannot be classified as. Whilst this sound over the top to many it is needed for our own sake....id rather have knowledge of law than be banged up   .

Now more importantly is if we could find anyone using this method either going back 80-90 years or even better to the reign of king richard 1st. Due to law of custom, although it is down to any prosecution to disprove it rather than us proving it.
Law of custom states if something is done within either of the set periods it is allowed unless expressly prohibited by statute. If we claimed custom before statute it supercedes any statute they bring in! ergo preserving our right to hunt by this method
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shit, once you get your teeth into something you really go for it , well done mate     ....mack
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wabbiter wrote:
shit, once you get your teeth into something you really go for it , well done mate     ....mack


I do try

just going through all the fecking awkward parts of finicky law now
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Whilst checking out the legalitys of this type of catty I think you should look up dutch arrows as they are launched by a string not a bow and used correctly can be lethal. That would point you in the right direction of arrow legality also the law would probably go down the line of a mini spear, spears being illegal to hunt with in the UK.

You know as well as I do that the law will define as it likes and make a test case that will become statute law and in this time we live in I bet a penny to a pound they win.

I wouldn't want to be a test case.
good luck and well done for the study
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr=punch wrote:
Hi

Whilst checking out the legalitys of this type of catty I think you should look up dutch arrows as they are launched by a string not a bow and used correctly can be lethal. That would point you in the right direction of arrow legality also the law would probably go down the line of a mini spear, spears being illegal to hunt with in the UK.

You know as well as I do that the law will define as it likes and make a test case that will become statute law and in this time we live in I bet a penny to a pound they win.

I wouldn't want to be a test case.
good luck and well done for the study
punch


Thanks for the extra information, my first thought on it is that i would presume the laws and definitions of spears and arrows would be primarily down to length, as people would be using arrows used for archery i think we could avoid  any spear laws. But i shall do some more research and post my findings. Nowt else to do at the moment i got the damned swine flu!
As for the states ways of bending the law thats why im gonna research it a lot, that way if ever i get nicked for it i can have a watertight defense. Im fed up of not being allowed to hunt properly in this country, every sports been getting chipped away at untill soon we wont have anything left!
I'll have a look through case histories too, that might be enlightening especially if precedents were set.



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