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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just read the writ up on them! wow want one!

http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/electrickontiki/electric_kontikis.html
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We all want new toys    
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright then. Let's talk about what you want from a long lining torpedeo.

How long a longline would you want it to deliver?

Hook dropper spacings.

Hook dropper lengths.

Hook size.

Potential baits.

Do you want it to drop the line, and then be able to recover the torpedeo, and so use it to deliver another longline?

Or:

Do you want to use the torpedeo as a large float, supporting the lines?

Tell me what you want, and I'll do a Blue Peter.
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fish wrote:
"We don't need licenses of any kind to rod fish for salmon or trout, but you do need to get a permit in most cases. "

where the f are you then fishy1!!?? in the uk we need a game rod liscence for almon trout and sea trout!

i need to find out more about these fishing torpedoes!


In england and wales you may need a game rod license, but in scotland we do not.

"Alright then. Let's talk about what you want from a long lining torpedeo.

How long a longline would you want it to deliver?"  - Up to 1km at most.

"Hook dropper spacings."  Variable, anything from close together for mackerel etc, to maybe 10m.

"Hook dropper lengths."  Again variable, maybe 2m at max.

"Hook size."  Probably nothing bigger than 6/0

"Potential baits." Sandeels, mackerel, feathers possibly,

"Do you want it to drop the line, and then be able to recover the torpedeo, and so use it to deliver another longline?"   Now, that is an interesting idea.  The only way I could think of doing this would be either to attach two lines to the torpedo, and release one and then just pull it back in, although this would probably tangle, or to have the torpedo remote controlled, which would be expensive.  Finding it when it hit the shore would also be difficult unless you had a tracking device I guess.

"Or:

Do you want to use the torpedeo as a large float, supporting the lines?"  This was my original thought.

"Tell me what you want, and I'll do a Blue Peter."
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This should be interesting  
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now I'm gonna tell you what  can do for a maximum  budget of £50

I can make a torpedeo that will; go out to between 300 and 400 metres, and drop a longline wiith 20 baited, 2 metre long paternoster droppers with 3/0 hooks baited with sandeel, Smelts, Joeys, peelers, feathers or worm baits.

The key word is  DROP, and not Tow. Towing baits is going to need a lot more torpedeo drive energy than dropping them. Basically the torpedeo is fixed to the shore using a large diametre circular hand line, or better still one of those large secondhand Australian Alvey seafishing reels (you can pick these up for less than a tenner.... .... .... I know cuz I've got two of em!), or a suitably sized secondhand large capacity multiplying reel. The long line is also fixed to the shore by the same means. The trick is not to tow the line out off the shore based reels, but to drop it from two fixed spool reel spools on the back of the torpedeo. at a predetermined distance the line on the long line spool runs out and drops a 6 oz grip weight overboard, everything else on this line is now the business end of the long line. At every dropper (paternoster link) knot is a 1 oz Wye weight. say 20 droppers, 2 metres long, every 5 metres. If you like every 4th or 5th bait can be popped up wth a small polyball. That way you have baits on the bottom, and popped baits for cruising fish. The torpedeo reaches the end on the long line, and another 6 oz gripper weght goes overboard.

This now leaves an empty torpedeo that can be recovered with the shore based reel, recharged, reset, and sent out again with another long line. The longlines can be left out for as long as you like and recovered at will

So, if you want 200-300 baited droppers delivered to 1000 metres go spend £500+ on one of those Kiwi thingies
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well guys money-where-your-mouth-is time,anyone interested in one should stump up fifty quid,if I lived near I beach I would sure as hell be delving into my pockets   Keep this thread going and see how it turns out  
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hehehehehe.

Had a 200 metre trial run on Whittlingham Broad this afternoon.
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how many mackerel feathers you could take out with one?Those alveys are ugly looking reals,got a few for nowt years ago,used to be good for wrecking though  
How did the trial go?  


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