border lad ,please dont take this the wrong way , but i just cant get my head around why you would ever sell sutch a dog ,if it was me it would have ended its days at my side ,you only ever get 1 or 2 to sutch a standard as this .
my first Lurcher, was bred from cotton King, ((( he won the waterloo cup, out of a very good working border collie, I schooled him on Mixie rabbits, untill he was 16 months old, then onto the blacktips, and that dog, was a bit special, but could not hunt like tinker, he had speed stamina, brains, and strike like a cobra, and when you are working your dogs hard, like I used to, when they are are 4 year old you have taken the edge of them, and she had double muscle, her back legs, was as strong in the inside as they were on the outside, I made the decision, to sell her back to Jimmys son, from the time she had her Pups, he was trying to buy her back, I had other young dogs coming on, and I was in my twenties, (( inexperencied ((( I had that other GOOD DOG called Laddie,and he was also a very handy dog, (((( you have the ingredients, in the dog, and then you have to work and school the dog,food,exercise,work, and sadly when they come up to 4 year old, you have had there best, yes some people, will keep them going for another 2 or 3 years, but that is when injuries, start, giving them problems,
my first Lurcher, was bred from cotton King, ((( he won the waterloo cup, out of a very good working border collie, I schooled him on Mixie rabbits, untill he was 16 months old, then onto the blacktips, and that dog, was a bit special, but could not hunt like tinker, he had speed stamina, brains, and strike like a cobra, and when you are working your dogs hard, like I used to, when they are are 4 year old you have taken the edge of them, and she had double muscle, her back legs, was as strong in the inside as they were on the outside, I made the decision, to sell her back to Jimmys son, from the time she had her Pups, he was trying to buy her back, I had other young dogs coming on, and I was in my twenties, (( inexperencied ((( I had that other GOOD DOG called Laddie,and he was also a very handy dog, (((( you have the ingredients, in the dog, and then you have to work and school the dog,food,exercise,work, and sadly when they come up to 4 year old, you have had there best, yes some people, will keep them going for another 2 or 3 years, but that is when injuries, start, giving them problems,
i can under stand some of your reasoning ,like i have mentiond before i am not a black tip chaser ,so different dogs for different jobs ,i find that the older my dogs get the craftier they get and can still catch well into their 7th or 8th year and i start them under 6 months old , but i only run very large game ,injuries are part and parcel in my game so they just have to plod on ,thanks for the reply ATB les.
I was just reading through the topic once again, this new pup I HAVE WILL BE 9 month, old in aweeks time or near enough it, I would like to say this pup is not up to it as Tinker, was and Laddie, he was bred from COTTON KING, who won the waterloo, cup, out of a Border collie that worked the hills here in Moffat, believe me, those dogs were harder bred dogs, (( and easier to there task, this fellow is strong headed, and I feel a lot softer, yes he has good breeding in him, his grand sire was Ballybreggan Bob, dual derby winner, and a Beardie collie, but those old dogs reached the top of there tree through natural ability, speed, and stamina,now a days, I believe in the top dogs are reaching the top through advanced training methods, High protein, diet, and untraceable, DRUGS, ( IN MY OPINION, that is why there is so much crap and unwanted dogs that do not make the grade,
ballyregan bob won 32 races in a row and broke 16 track records his race record was 42 wins from 48 races a great dog but not a dual derby winner.and there was high protein diets around in them days the same diets are still being sold today.as for the drugs to improve performance the testing of dogs is of alot higher standard than it was when he was running. in them days there was alot of steroids and performance enhancing drugs that went through the test. _________________ if we're not supposed to eat animals how come their made of meat !
Sounds like a cracking bitch that BL,hope you get better soon.
Ive noticed the dogs you mention are bred grey dog to collie bitch,the less popular way round,ive bred grey bitch to collie dog and just wondered if you think theres a difference?
Ive heard it said that your way produces a slightly lighter frame and stamina is better,any thoughts appreciated.
tyke
the reason for breeding from the collie bitch, to a top coursing dog, you could get easy access, to a champion coursing dog up here, and the hill collie bitch was available when she was 5 or 6 years old
an uncle of mine used to pick them up, for little money, when they were finished on the hills, but still able to work on low lands, when that mating took place you would pick the pup most to the greyhound, and with a good long back, that first cross, made great dogs, but those type of bitches are very hard to come by now, due to the commercial market, value, of selling pups, for working sheep dogs and other sporting venues,
As those collie bitches were obviously tested 100% maybe thats what actually makes the difference,not which way round you do it but the quality of the collie?
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